Download this stock image: U.S. Air Force Staff Sgt. With sale prices of restored warbirds so high, and even projects expensive, what is the 'value' of wrecked aircraft? Betty Bombers: Located inside the American Legion Post 135 building just off Forsyth Park, this retro eatery features freshly prepared American cuisine. Remains of German WWII Junkers Ju 88 bomber recovered from Thames Estuary. They were the two best known aircraft wrecks in the country. Despite a distinct military bent, my work over the last 30 years in vintage aviation has been about preserving aviation objects for future generations. The radio operator, navigator and bombardier could switch off positions if needed to the other gun positions. WHEN I ACQUIRED [from Girua Airport, [P-47D 41-27608] IN 1998 THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT HAD ASKED THE LANDOWNERS TO REMOVE TO AIRCRAFT FROM THE AIRPORT DUE TO IT BEING IN THE WAY FOR A PROPOSED TERMINAL EXTENSION. The atomic bombs put an end to this sideshow. Wendell Hanson flew many B-25s in the war, and many variants, including the H and the J. TO NOT PRESERVE HISTORY IS TO FORGET THE LESSONS OF THE PAST. One of the Bettys last combat assignments was to carry torpedo-shaped Yokosuka MXY7 Ohka single-seat kamikaze rocket planes to within striking distance of U.S. fleets. "Estrella Warbirds Museum is accepting donations for a seat on board the restored World War II Veteran, a C-47B, Betsy's Biscuit Bomber. Against limited fighter opposition, the lack of armor and self-sealing fuel tanks was no hindrance. 2011-2016 Texas Flying Legends Museum, All Right Reserved. He beat his affluent opponents like borrowed mules, then used his considerable winnings to finance a summer of travel around the United States, learning as much as he could about the overconfident gunslinger he would outdraw at Pearl Harbor two decades later. It was delivered to RFC, Walnut Ridge, AR in October 1945. During World War 2, it was in service with the naval aviation. Any corrections are verified and updated, CLARIFICATION I HAD TO PAY MY OWN AIRFARES, ACCOMODATION AND ALIKE SO THERE WAS NO GOVERNMENT FREEBIES. Some sources claim that Japan bought the original Douglas DC-4 prototype, the unsuccessful triple-tail design called the DC-4E, to serve as a model for a four-engine G4M. TO ANSWER THE FIRST PART OF THIS QUESTION REQUIRES A VERY LONG AND DETAILED ANSWER AND ONE MORE SUITED TO A MORE SPECIFIC FORUM. Nobody is sure how many torpedoes hit the two British battlewagons, but three days after Pearl Harbor, wave after wave of Nells and Bettys achieved at least nine Type 91 hits and possibly as many as 21. Subscribe to receive our weekly newsletter with top stories from master historians. The recovery of aircraft is never an easy task and it was a great thrill to be part of one of aviation's great adventures with the recovery of the Super Constellation VH-EAG from the Tucson desert. $34.95. Invariably those sources dont have a clue as to whats going on or how its actually happening but they still go out of their way to promote false facts. The 345th Bomb Group Association reunion, November 8-12, 2012, commemorated the 70th anniversary of the group's activation at Columbia Army Air Base on November 11, 1942. For years it was assumed that the Japanese simply didnt know how to make good paint, but the reason was even more basic. Opens in a new window or tab. The end result was Yamamoto's Betty crashing into the jungle just west of Buin, killing all . Mitsubishi also learned that the heavy cannons compromised the Bettys handling. SIMILARLY THERE IS LITTLE POINT IN BRINGING UP UNDERWATER WRECKS UNLESS THEY ARE RARE ONE OFF'S. In reply I would simply advise that if you dont believe in preserving history for future generations (and it cant be done in the bush) stay behind your computers and get out of the way so we can get on with the job. No one ever imagined it would grow to the organization it has today but it certainly has become one of the foremost organizations in the field of aviation preservation. WHAT DO I GET OUT OF IT. Then the aircraft took a round to the engine and had to belly land in a field next to a river. The Allies called it the BETTY but to the men that flew the airplane, it was popularly, but unofficially, the 'Hamaki,' Japanese for cigar, in honor of the airplane's rotund, cigar-shaped fuselage. It was the first gun ever fired from an airplane, a Wright Model B Flyer, in 1912. When the Betty/Ohka combination reaching Allied shipping, the Ohka pilot would detach, ignite . I SPEND A LOT OF MY OWN MONEY ON PRESERVING HISTORY. If this does not work then try restarting the game. He has reviewed information related to his activities. He took over work on the Betty after returning from a fact-finding trip to the U.S. in 1938. If these wrecks are indeed worthless, why are they being salvaged? WE FORWARD PLAN UP TO FIVE YEARS IN ADVANCE. CLARIFICATION Bettys flew on the opening day of WWII, and they helped close out the war as well. SURPLUS MATERIAL IS DONATED. The resulting damage had broken both of her shafts and she now found herself on fire and dead in the water. About half the crew manned the defensive gun positions. The savings in airframe weight allowed the G4M to attack targets at unprecedented ranges. The IJNAS requirements were a top speed of 247 mph, a maximum range of almost 3,000 statute miles and a loaded range of 2,300 miles. Aug 21, 2018 - Explore Frank Castrillo's board "Mitsubishi G4M/G6M.Betty bomber", followed by 271 people on Pinterest. Within 20 minutes, Hellcats had shot down all 18 bombers. Yamamotos weapon of choice was the torpedo, and the Betty was first and foremost a torpedo bomber, carrying a single 1,890-pound Type 91 tin fishthe worlds most accurate and powerful aerial torpedo right up until the end of the war. Navy crews suffered 4,300 fatalities and 5,400 casualties, or seven percent of all crew casualties incurred during the entire Pacific war. Robert Greinert with P-47 Mitsubishi said the bomber would need four engines to accomplish that, but the IJNAS insisted on a twin-engine configuration. The donation to the museum is $150 per person, and must be purchased in advance. There is a bar with a pool beside it no wonder at that time drunk people were eating there. Whether they produced battlefield images of the dead or daguerreotype portraits of common soldiers, []. Number built: 1,486 (470 D3A1), (1,016 D3A2) The Aichi D3A, Allied reporting name "Val" was a World War II carrier-borne dive bomber of the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN). Anything else you wish to add about yourself? The Aboriginal elders at Kalambaru were so impressed with our passion and our sense of history that they gave us the aircraft. Today it sits in a rather clever display in Aeroplane Hall where nearly one million visitors a year pass through. Judging by what Allen has done with other such acquisitions, it is possible that this Betty will someday fly again. The Japanese built more of them than any other bomber during World War II. from Papua Honjo had studied bomber design at the Junkers works in Germany, and was responsible for the G3M. Casualties were horrific. . Contributor: C. Peter Chen. LIKE I SAID, ANYBODY INTERESTED IN THIS SORT OF WORK SHOULD APPLY TO THE MUSEUM FOR A SET OF GUIDELINES. export or removal, CLARIFICATION CLARIFICATION Any corrections he or anyone provides are verified and updated accordingly. CLARIFICATION Mitsubishi produced a total of 2,414 G4M airplanes but few remained when the war ended on August 15, 1945. The city has contributed $850,000, with the restoration group, made up mostly of volunteers, fundraising $750,000. ITS GREAT TO SEE KEARBYS FIN ON DISPLAY AT [USAF Museum at] DAYTON. Describe a bit about export permits To re-balance the bomber, dihedral was added to the horizontal stabilizer. One ran off the runway during takeoff from Ie Shima and damaged its landing gear; the other ran out of fuel and ditched short of its destination in Japan. He omitted armor plate. all regions of the Pacific. The firm changed the wing to a single-spar configuration and installed self-sealing fuel tanks with a capacity about one-third less than earlier versions. I BELIEVE PEOPLE WILL ENJOY IT. THERE IS AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF WORK GOING ON IN ANY RESTORATION INVOLVING A HUGE CREW OF PEOPLE. The B-25 was crewed by six men; pilot, copilot, bombardier or nose gunner, radio operator or waist gunner, flight engineer or navigator and tail gunner. I SUSPECT THERE IS MORE MYTH AND SPECULATION ABOUT THE ALLEDGED VALUE OF THESE WRECKS. THERE ARE STILL 800 WRECKS OUT THERE IN PNG ALONE AND A LOT OF THE GOOD ONES HAVE BEEN LEFT DUE TO TOURISM OR MIA ISSUES. Anything else you would like to add about yourself? None of this mattered during the Sino-Japanese campaign, when Bettys were escorted by the new, long-range A6M2 Zero. I DONATED A PILE OF [ P-47D "Frankie" 42-8130 ] AND P-40 STUFF [P-40K and P-40K] TO PIMA [ Air & Space Museum ] A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO BY WAY OF DONATION. I AM PASSIONATE ABOUT AVAIATION HISTORY AND ITS PRESERVATION. The G4M was a Japanese high-speed bomber-torpedo carrier. Flights will be offered on the third Saturday of each month subject to any weather or mechanical/maintenance restrictions. At that time, the requirements were unprecedented for a twin-engine, land-based attack bomber: flying at a top speed of 398 kph (247 mph) and an altitude of 3,000 m (9,845 ft), the new bomber had to fly a distance of 4,722 km (2,933 miles) without a torpedo or equivalent weight in bombs. Talk About Your Organization 'HARS' FUNDING COMES FROM MANY SOURCES, GOVERNMENT AND PRIVATE. IS IT REALLY THE GREATEST WW2 WRECK LEFT? One of the best examples is located at the world-class Air Museum Planes of Fame in Chino, California. For more information on donations and ways to give, please contact Liz Esparza at liz.esparza@planesoffame.org or call (909) 597-3722, ext. The BETTY bomber crews had to fly within about 23 miles (37 km) of a target due to the Ohka 11's limited range. Mitsubishi G4M Betty of 4 Kokutai at low level flight. Greinert was responsible for having its salvage permit re-issued]. They would disgorge hundreds of commandos dressed in USAAF uniforms. For me it is two things. The model has been enlarged along the z axis to allow for better . The D3A was the primary dive-bomber for the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II. The official Japanese surrender delegation had boarded these two BETTYs in Kyushu. PLANS ARE A FOOT AND THEY WILL BECOME PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE SOON ENOUGH [in late April, early May 2006 B-17E 41-2446 aka 'Swamp Ghost' was salvaged. Six escorting Zeros flew guard but in a matter of seconds, the Air Corps pilots shrugged off the escorting fighters and sent both BETTYs crashing down in flames. It was brought to the United States aboard a U. S. Navy aircraft carrier along with 145 other Japanese aircraft selected for test and evaluation. Here are the current restoration projects underway: DONATE NOW . IN REFLECTION, I THINK THAT ITS BEST TO CONSIDER SALVAGE, IN ORDER TO SAVE THE AEROPLANE FROM THE ENTHUSIASTS. In 1936 Japan renounced the 1922 Washington Naval Treaty, which had stipulated that the capital-ship-building ratio between the U.S., Britain and Japan should be 5:5:3. At the age of 17 I came across an article in Air Classics magazine outlining the recovery of a P-39 Airacobra [P-39 "Erminie" 41-6951, actually recovered by CART and aquired by Beck] in North Queensland by Syd Beck. The end had arrived for the Japanese and the BETTY bomber. THESE THINGS TAKE TIME. MUSEUM OR INDIVIDUAL. AS FOR MIA SITES I DONT GO NEAR THEM UNLESS THEY HAVE BEEN CLEARED BY THE NATIONAL MUSEUM. That object will convey many things to many different people. G3Ms attacked in large vee formations of 27 aircraft stacked in nine mini-vees of three aircraft each, a formation-flying nightmare. A view from above, also an indication of how far Betty fell when in the elevator. PNG Museum allows only for museum to museum basis, are granted in exchange for work done 1:1 related to projects. The tail of the Betty Bomber. THE TOURISTS GO THERE, TAKE PHOTOS AND LEAVE HAVING HAD THEIR WAR RELIC EXPERIENCE. The tail gun was a 20mm cannon, though a relatively ineffective one. CLARIFICATION 'The Bomber will fly again': Milwaukie restaurant closes, but B17 is still being restored The B-17 Alliance Foundation says the famous roadside attraction won't be completed until 2035. The names of the nine aircrew killed onboard Betty T-359 were : Pilot Kiyoshi Akamatsu Co-Pilot Saburo Takahashi Observer Kaku Yoned Observer Tadashi Wada Observer Mitsuo Takano Observer Takeshi Nomiguchi Radio Houichi Fukuya favorite favorite favorite ( 4 reviews ) Topics: Comedy, Musical, Arthur Askey ONCE AGAIN IT WAS GREAT TO SEE THE MATERIAL SAVED AND THE STORY OF THE 5TH AIR FORCE PRESERVED BACK IN AMERICA. I FIRST TRAVELLED TO PNG IN 1984. The Sikorsky S-43 at the Pima Air and Space Museum, would not have survived had it not been for aircraft recovery pioneers such as Gary Larkins. (Michael Jordan/BPE) "The aircraft sat in that field until the 90s when it was . NONE THAT COME TO MIND. What projects are you involved and accountable with the PNG Museum? SO YES IT IS PRICELESS BUT AS FAR AS ITS ALLEDGED HIGH VALUE I WOULDNT KNOW. IT ALL DEPENDS ON THE SPECFIC PROJECT AND ITS NEEDS. THIS REALLY IS A QUESTION OF POLICY FOR THE NATIONAL MUSEUM TO ANSWER. WHAT I DO OBJECT TO IS PEOPLE PUTTING STUFF OUT THAT IS INCORRECT AND THEN FAILING TO CORRECT IT WHEN THE ERRORS ARE POINTED OUT. Bendix Aviation Corp out of Teterboro, NJ bought the B-25 in June of 1946 and used it as a test bed for the next twenty years. Although the G4M now had a more potent sting, Honjo again sacrificed crew protection to the Navy's demands for great range. The most comprehensive and authoritative history site on the Internet. THE QUICKEST RECOVERY WAS THE RUSSIAN MIG-15 NOW IN CANBERRA. Drum-fed from an archaic 47-round pancake magazine atop the gun, the Lewis had a long history of aviation use. AS PER PREVIOUS QUESTION, I WOULD SUGGEST YOUR READERSHIP SEEK OUT MORE SPECIFIC PUBLICATIONS WHERE THESES SORTS OF QUESTIONS ARE DEALT WITH IN DETAIL. VINTAGE 1967 LINDBERG MITSUBISHI G4M3 BETTY BOMBER MODEL KIT 1:72 SCALE.576-200. The Ohka was carried to the target under a G4M "Betty" bomber. The RAAF could have landed a Hercules on the airstrip where they sat and flown them out. B-25s from the 501st Bomb Squadron of the Air Apaches escorted Mitsubishi Betty surrender aircraft en route to Ie Shima in August 1945. Airpower proponent Billy Mitchell might have told them this was a dumb idea, having demonstrated in the early 1920s what bombers could do to capital ships. THE IMPORTANT THING IS THAT HISTORY IS BEING SAVED ALL THE TIME AND THE STORY GETS TO BE TOLD THROUGH THE MACHINES. These tanks were much lighter in weight than explosion-proof (also called 'self-sealing') gas tanks. This maintained the internal fuel capacity but adversely affected the airplanes aerodynamics. 120 . TOO MANY TO RECOUNT. Betty was actually a waitress in Pennsylvania. ARRANGEMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE FOR THEM TO BE RETURNED AT THE COMPLETION OF THE RESTORATION CYCLE UNLESS THE MUSEUM CHOOSES OTHERWISE. From 1967-1972 Bendix Field Engineering had 45-8835 in Columbia, MD. For the Betty, however, it was all downhill from there. "Swamp Ghost" "leaf roll") due to the cylindrical shape of its fuselage. After the war, the USAAF was test-flying at least one Betty that had been captured in the Philippines, one of four or five flyable G4Ms that the U.S. liberated. Whether his engineering team found it aesthetically pleasing is open to question. Medium Bomber. Speak about your Vanuatu recovery of P-40Fs. Pacific Wrecks has been in contact with Greinert since 2000, and emailed him questions and clarification related to all wrecks he is involved with, and he has reviewed information related to his activities. GIVEN THE LEVEL OF DETAIL WE GO TO IN ENSURING THE RESTORATION IS CORRECT FROM AN ENGINEERING POINT AND AUTHENTICITY POINT OF VIEW IT IS NOT SUPRISING THAT START UPS APPEAR SLOW. Another BETTY variant became mother ship to the Kugisho Ohka kamikaze, or Tokko (special attack) aircraft (see NASM collection). Clear front, dorsal and rear turret canopies. Japanese Navy pilots called it "" Hamaki (Cigar), due to its cylindrical shape. Salvaged undertaken by Greinert in PNG have been under the basis of work (not yet completed) for their museum. The B-25, 45-8835, switched hands a couple of times in Canada including, Aurora Aviation Ltd, G&M Aircraft Ltd and eventually ended up back in the United States at Aero Trader in Chino, CA in 1993. Greinert's first salvage was 1989. HistoryNet.com is brought to you by HistoryNet LLC, the worlds largest publisher of history magazines. The B-25 gained fame after the DoolittleRaid on April 18th, 1942 in which seventy two B-25s, lead Colonel James Doolittle, bombed Japan in response to the bombing of Pearl Harbor. The Air Force would not let . Like its stablemate, Mitsubishi's Zero Fighter (see NASM collection for two examples), the Hamaki soldiered on long after it became obsolete, even dangerous, to fly wherever Allied interceptors prowled. Many websites are hungry for content and if you dont feed them, they run off to secondary sources for there information. So why not fill those positions with dedicated gunships? Not a single Betty survives as anything more than a battered, partial hulka situation unique among warbirds built in such numbers and active in so much combat. In 1994 restoration was started to create Bettys Dream. The first G4M prototype left the factory in September 1939 and made the trek to Kagamigahara Airfield since Mitsubishi's Nagoya plant had no company airstrip. SOME RESTORATIONS ARE SLOW TO START BECAUSE PARTS ARE NOT THERE OR INCOMPLETE. Therefore, both pilots . Mitsubishi tried again to reduce the bomber's tendency to burn. The decision not to incorporate the heavier, safer fuel tanks was necessary to meet the Navy's range requirements. Hand held and operating through a 20-degree arc, it required a pursuing fighter to voluntarily position itself within the cannons tiny field of fire, though this limitation was removed in later versions of the Betty. WETHER THE WRECK COMES OUT OR NOT IS A GOVERNMENT DETERMINATION. When did you first travel to Papua New Guinea? P-39 project? To expect them to preserve aircraft wrecks in outdoor situations is utter folly. The Rikko assignment went straight to Mitsubishi, which had already paid its bomber-building dues with the G2M and G3M. So the Imperial Japanese Navy Air Service laid down the parameters of what would become the Betty by basically saying, Build a better Nell. Our B-25 is painted in honor of Capt. This aircraft shot down a "Zero" and a "Betty" bomber over New Guinea in 1943. They devastated Clark Field, Philippine Islands, on December 8, 1941, and participated in sinking the British battleships HMS "Prince of Wales" and HMS "Repulse" on December 10. removed from Girua Airport Beaufighter A19-148 I ACTUALLY STARTED NEGOTIATING IN 1984 FOR A PERMIT AND WAS NOT SUCCESFULL UNTILL 1998. The Mitsubishi G4M Type 1 "Betty" was a medium bomber used by the Imperial Japanese Navy during WWII. Japanese "Betty" bomber near Darwin. Lancaster bomber project still four years away from completion. On June 27, 1950, all-weather F-82Gs shot down the first three North Korean airplanes destroyed by U.S. forces. What challenges do wrecks salvaged from PNG present? AS I AM FINANCIALLY INDEPENDEDENT I DONT HAVE ANY NEED OR DESIRE TO PLAY THE COLLECTOR MARKET. In this, he talks about his last run in a B-25. Few would know it by its official designation, the Navy Type 1 Attack Bomber. 72" span. However, its agile escort flipped over and disappeared off Mooney's scope. CLARIFICATION WHEN OUT IN THE FIELD ONE COMES ACROSS SOME INTERESTING MATERIAL FROM TIME TO TIME THAT WARRANTS CONSERVATION. In 1964 an Ohio woman took up the challenge that had led to Amelia Earharts disappearance. Those procurement officers were aware of the airplanes main flaw but chose to accept it, dooming many crews. Wendell Hanson flew many B-25s in the war, and many variants, At Sioux Falls last summer, a good friend of Alan happened to find us, and we were thrilled to see him! Radio Waatea is Auckland's only Mori radio station that provides an extensive bi-lingual broadcast to its listeners. Many items from the PNG museum's collection were removed in late 2000-1 by yourself and '75 Squadron' It is based at the Commemorative Air Force Museum in Mesa, Arizona, US. 1/900th scale G4M Betty Bomber model. 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