Oh Phew, I love reading your posts, and everyone elses here. I find it interesting to consider the various charismas out there, what will take in one person and not another. Aug. 11 2021, Published 3:32 p.m. One of his daughters also got married this last year. Married At First Sight season 1 couple, Jamie Otis and Doug Hehner, are still together and happily married. http://cryingoutforjustice.com/2012/10/11/abuse-and-the-wilsonian-theology-a-survivors-story/. Mr. C looking like a Southern plantation owner sitting next to the African freedom fighter is actually appalling to these eyes. He DOES represent the intellectual wing of evangelicalism. I read into ponerology for a while, but its not a healthy pursuit for someone with my history, so I quit. Even worse than a tornado, there is intense pressure to put the blame on ones selfthis is done internally as well as by the abuser and often the community. 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The majority of terrible things that have happened throughout human history have been instigated by such. of the means or instrument by which anything is effected . Based on the undisputed facts that have come out thus far, I have no doubt that if this were adjudicated properly, we would all see at the conclusion that Doug Phillips acted the part of a manipulative scoundrel.. Doug Wilson simply doesnt know what hes talking about. I have heard people speak from this organization 2 times impressive stories of supporting (NOT coaching) a child to testify.in one particular case, the perp was surrounded by family members who would lose big if he went to jail and the family business went under, but one 10 year old girl told her story, and they guy was put in jail for years.from what I understand there were no inconsistencies. I am thinking, and here is the point I am making, that anybody (that would be anybody for any reason) who sends anybody (self, child, religious follower, anybody) out to run with the pack unprepared to deal with this aspect of humanity is an enabler of the destructive results of unbridled sex / aggression. It matters a whole hell of lot. If you dont know of any resources, check out Bozs website at http://www.netgrace.org for starters. Frankly I can read academic papers about Greek and Hebrew (which are in alphabets I cant even read) and get more out of them. He advocates biblical patriarchy, creationism, homeschooling, the Quiverfull movement, and the family integrated church. I used to be involved in Elmbrook Deebs. So, as I think about all this in the context of the times, not a big surprise that some bluster bloke like Doug could capture hearts and minds that were primed for The Real Deal but settled for a charismatic knock-off. By R.L. Doug Phillips offers a very personal look at the aftermath of the tornadoes that ravaged our state on April 27, 2011. Wilson isnt laboring for an academic tradition, or the glory of God, or love, or out of empathy for his fellow man. One is a proven position, the other is what one comes in with. Despite being married for seven years, the Married at First Sight couple has never shied away from the good, bad and wild parts of their. This we understand. Something isnt either more Biblical or less Biblical than what went before, it could also be just another way of doing something, equally right as the other way. Some where in a comment on Julie Annes blog, someone mentioned that Doug Phillips had warned his church about impending economic catastrophe. They got married in 2014 and still act as in love as ever. If she does, its likely not going to court for a while, then therell likely be an appeal and the final resolution of this matter might not be for years. The woman and the man both belong to God, equally. Or even what youre talking about? (*spit*). Wilson is some form of sociopath, for sure, but he does at least feel strongly and intensely over the moral virtues of loyalty (to him) and the power and wealth he is able to hand to his covenantal, biological, direct decedents.. What happened? So we have here a civilization / culture which has drastically changed and which is rapidly continuing to change, and we see large groups of people gathering around what they perceive to be strong people. The victim in this would have been Beall, with two people victimizing her. Never once. Those who need to be convinced of the evil in much of Wilsons worldview are the ones in thrall to his intelligence. I ask this because it seems like some of the survivalist women seem pretty capable and tough, in the best sense of the word, if one is to believe some of the things on some web sites about survivalism. Guess what? http://kbotkin.com/2014/04/22/vice-victims-and-doug-wilson/#comment-3602 And its what warns me to stay away from DW. http://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2014/03/29/attempting-to-set-the-doug-phillips-record-straight-part-3-the-timeline/. Not boycotting him at the moment. First, I find it ironic that someone who seems so steeped in Mosaic Law and theological legalism as Mr. Wilson does not seem to understand legal reasoning. Some of the best of the arts, philosophy literature, music, science used to be focused on Christianity or by Christians. The kind of thinking that victims have somehow participated or asked for it has been more common than not in the past; but if you find yourself thinking such things, please do some in-depth reading on the subject. Analytical cookies are used to understand how visitors interact with the website. However, the woman could not have brought forth Christ without the man, as the Scripture says, Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord. And then we have semi Arian and even Arianism rearing its head. Douglas Winston Phillips (born 1965) is a Christian author, speaker, attorney, and homeschooling advocate who was once president of the now-defunct Vision Forum Ministries until he resigned due to an inappropriate relationship. What happened? Instead we might think kind or compassionate or understanding or even not excessively confrontational. But sweet is better reserved for strawberry pie than for humans. And given that I dont even want to read about it, Im certainly not going to pull up my socks and start writing about it. Press J to jump to the feed. For about the last 6 years, you and I have sat around the same table for board meetings. Hardcore fans will also recall that the chef even wrote a book in 2017 called Southern Girl Meets Vegetarian Boy. All I could picture when that was announced was how congested the airspace would be around major cities at Christmastime. Beyond that, whoever she really is, likely was a part of this movement and is unlikely to be forgiven as easily as Doug will be, because she's not Doug Phillips. Also I dont think its useful to frame victims as culpable when they dont get up and leave. ok, I just dissociated when I proofread I forgot what I meant here, maybe something along the lines of lose their basic recall abilities. And that sort of humor never brings a smile to my face. etc. Its a preoccupation. Yeah, there are always people who are secretly enchanted by the sociopath and will use back-handed praise, but it is important to clearly understand ones enemy. Another case in point is Tim Challiies telling us how to think biblically about everything. 581 posts. It would look like an army of insects was attacking the suburbs. [9] In 2009, Phillips led "a team of scientists and investigators, including John D. Morris, president of the Institute for Creation Research" to the Galpagos Islands for the 200th anniversary of Charles Darwin's life, and produced a documentary entitled The Mysterious Islands.[10][11]. Shaking head about the entire event. Ugh! Ive heard that SURVIVAL traced back to prehistoric times, when tribal warfare was endemic, and one of the ugly sides of tribal-level warfare is raiding the other tribe for their women, like lions taking over a pride. Theres worse things. When I read your posts on a different thread, I figured that perhaps people were misinterpreting what you were sharing, as being on the perps side. This is about the widespread perception that there is impending chaos and destruction and people want themselves / their people / their group / their religion / their way of life to be what survives. Several years ago, through a bizarre series of events, they announced that God was speaking to our church to relocate to Idaho. Bless your heart to me is a snotty put down, always said in smug tones, Stacy McDonald echoes it: ..if she had not gone to the media, but instead sought Christian arbitration; and, if her family, her church, and the people in her community all wound up believing her, wouldnt that be enough? Faith Evangeline? I wrote Hester that Doug interests me because he is like my father was. I understand what youre saying and there is value in teaching our children to speak out, etc., but at most it will divert some predators to other victims. I noticed today that the frontman of Jars of Clay, Dan Haseltine, is being kicked out of Christianity farewell Rob Bell style by some because he came out in favor of gay marriage. ! Doug Wilson say Lourdes should have let the church, not heathen authorities, have judged the case: I continue to believe that this whole thing should be sorted through by Christians, with a view to our testimony before a watching world.. As in-the ultimate winning of the fight against all the destructive forces of evil. His oldest son is married and has kids. Besides which, there is little evidence that it would work in the typical abuse situation. 2. Not surprised Rawles is into him. Add in his close association with the classical education wing of homeschooling and the image is complete. The wearing of fabric head coverings in worship was universally the practice of Christian women until the twentieth century. For more than 26 years, the Basketball Wives star has been married to former NBA player and current Sacramento Kings assistant coach Doug Christie. Laura wrote: I have no reason to know, nor would the general public, if an unknown Mr. Phillips of Nowhere in Particular had committed grave sin and crime against a young woman. As for headcoverings supposedly being universal rather than cultural, this out to blow that one right out of the water: http://www.michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/1%20Cor11%20head%20covering%20testicle.pdf. But I do believe that the perp is building a trap, kind of like a child building a tinker toy house around him and not being able to get out, by his self-perception that he is a logical genius. He has an ideology to protect plain and simple. Why choose one and not the other? The lawsuit was filed in Kendall County (Texas) Tuesday, April 15, 2014, and can be read here (Warning: Explicit . Thank you for the insights re: Doug Wilson and the Moscow community. Hey, is he talking about ME?! What do expect from the Paleo-Confederate Doug Wilson? Maybe its because Im a southerner, but I dont see anything wrong with it, and I havent seen it used in a bad context at all. And now, we have to say of music, art, literature, philosophy: Well, you know, give em a break, its only Christian.. If clarity is central to writing, how good of a communicator (let alone a comedian) can you be when people cant even understand why your jokes are funny? Together, they were a tabloid magnet. Go figure. I am plain not fancy. Yeah, Metzlers writings helped me understand why I fell into flashbacks when listening/reading Wilson, and felt a bizarre fascination. Generally, it refers to a generally benevolent disposition someone who is benevolent, tender-hearted, giving, generous, etc. Yes he is arrogant. What happened to Doug Phillips' victim and her ensuing confusion is a direct result of both of these men's teaching. Well, since Doug Wilson cannot even acknowledge the little children who were victims of the member from his own church, I would not expect him to support Doug Phillips' victim in any way. It was so patriarchal it put the entire burden and responsibility of the wifes faith onto her husband. 25 years later, I have only just told my husband. If I am better than x, I am ok. Maybe it appeals to the competitive side of humans, which can result in class structures of all sorts? They ARE NOT the keepers of the truth in this situation. Thanks for listening to me yaw on. In his post Doug Phillips' Resignation from Vision Forum, Wilson stated: I thought I should say something about Doug Phillips resignation from Vision Forum, but it wont be very much. His tinker toy words, designed to protect him, will entrap him eventually. But Doug Phillips has trumpeted himself as something of a Homeschool Messiah, a Beacon of Light and Goodness, a Man Above Men, a man capable of informing the rest of us whove been homeschooling and raise huge families for many years about ADVANCED Family Strategies, and making millions off such DVDs, books, conferences, mail order catalogs (with obscenely marked up merchandise), etc. Why I didnt call you Clay is a mystery to me. I will try to stop now before this becomes a novel. And even by the narrowest literal understanding of Matthew 18, it was Biblical. But I knew and used the word before then and actually, Ive used forms of the word scotomatous before too, in writings about the problems of perception and misperception in understanding paradigms, or some yadda-yadda topic like that. I believe that one defense of the dark arts is to learn to read the Bible for oneself, but that is a whole nuther topic. @ Marie2: And now, we have to say of music, art, literature, philosophy: Well, you know, give em a break, its only Christian.. But what looked holistic turns out to have lots and lots of holes. FWIW, heres a more technical version of my response: I would contend that Doug Wilsons apparent penchants toward overvaluing logical consistency and an inerrant-theology legalism find their base more in dualistic Western philosophy than in a holistic Hebraic worldview. 1/3 https://t.co/2PHkVGmEfJ, © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. Can I get this on a T-shirt somewhere? (Ugh, just typing that made me a bit nauseous.) Beall Phillips. When you read down into the article, heres the dispute: the killer had a crush on the victim, which she did not return; she acquired a boyfriend; the killer asked her to the prom, she declined, he killed her. And now, I must skedaddle. Yes! Id happily proclaim. On Tuesday, Aug. 10, 2021, Jamie took to Instagram to announce that they are currently going through a tough period . =#comment-140951 title=Go to comment of this author>Rafiki: hi! Obviously, there was a enough there that caused even Phillips to admit to an affair (did he say inappropriate?). Ive been there. Doug Phillips, 37. It wouldnt surprise me. Smart move! Ty for sharing!!! Exaggerate much?). When someone like Farris constructs straw men of people like Doug Phillips, that helps no one. Ty 4 geography lesson! Hence, a fallow field ready for replowing and planting by provocateurs and controversialists like Doug Wilson. This cookie is set by GDPR Cookie Consent plugin. I am well acquainted with the (former) VF community and I really think his name is pretty irredeemable to them. Yes I believe that there are non-addicts who can use the Bible to help addicts, but only with a certain gift (humility helps), much training, much experience, and a good way to help the addict feel empowered. I cannot respond to any comments. The charges could be grossly exaggerated which would mean that Torres is lying, just like the police officer who claims you are going 45 mph in a 30 mph zone. They struggled financially, his wife is/was working as a caregiver for a while. With regard to the gritty reality of life and death in the third world, some of us have all the tact and maturity of Justin Bieber. @ Nancy: You sound as though you have somehow been able to process those years of sadistic and methodical abuse with amazing wisdom and strength. I wish I had used words too. Mrs. C seems to think she and hubbie get kudos for being dressed the best or something. The news was of course tragic, sad, and humbling. Look at Clinton. It is time to stop him from regaining his position. We both have a creeping suspicion theres something demeaning and passive aggressive in it. You wont find this broadcast out in the open. My guess is she wants to go to trial. Probably the theory that slavery is acceptable will be expanded as an innovation to what theorists believe are philosophical unified systems. Sadly, BN, Wilson isnt a moron. @ Hester: I am indebted for this information to the late well-known impresario [Albert Marshall] Palmer of New York, and I made a note of it years before the term had become at all popular. Please modmail us with any questions. But that may not give her any legal relief any more than it gives others in similar situations with charismatic religious figures relief. Thank you for posting this. According to the 1942 OSS psych profile, foreign witnesses described the Nuremberg Rallies as revival meetings. That doesnt make me any kind of hero. And, thankfully, the backlash to Wilson has been vehement and loud and sustained enough, particularly from his close neighbors in his small town who actually know enough about him, to all but neuter this old bull. We celebrated Mozarts bday every year lol He also loved being horrid. Er um not to be arrogant here, but I can easily see this analogy, having been around many many creepy psychopath pastors in my lifetime, who have incredible charisma, but are hiding screwy tendencies that could make most people cringe. Phillips produced a documentary The League of Grateful Sons in 2004 about the soldiers who fought in the Battle of Iwo Jima. And when US Evangelicalism got a mission-virus commonly known as culture wars, they made awful choices, not having the necessary information, and not having learned the basics of logic (much less practiced it as a skill). I do not advise it. From what I have read, proving non-consent in ALL cases of er inappropriate romantic attention can be difficult if someone admits to one or two instances of consent, in a legal setting. The 45 mph is an exaggeration. Lucky you! And no, I have not loaded up to Go West, but about a century ago my father did live in Blackfoot, Idaho for a time, and there are some relatives (whom I have never met) scattered around there somewhere. I think after his scandal with Lourdes he and vision forum have gotten real quiet. It is correct that typically adults cannot recover money damages if they were participants in the conduct complained of and if they were competent. Were at a nasty low but US Christianity is still here and itll pop up/out again. Okay, I see what you are saying. The guy doesnt have a clue. Just even simple logic would say that if its a shame for a man to cover his head (Christ) because he is the glory of Christ and that would bring dishonor to Christ then for a woman to cover her head (male) because she is the glory of male that would bring dishonor to him! Nor did it even cross my mind to tell my parents. In 2022, YSU was in the playoff hunt until the final weekend of the season after a . Open Discussion Page. But when compared to, say, Gary North, James Dobson, John Piper, Al Mohlerwell, at least theres something going on in Doug W. Maybe thats it. Original audio. Shortly after news broke about the legal action against Doug Phillips, et al, by his alleged victim, Doug Wilson chimed in with a post entitled Vision Forum and Confessing Your Virtues. It would look like an army of insects was attacking the suburbs. I am not aware of cases where, for example, adults who join cults, can later sue the cult leader for civil damages because of things that happened at the cult unless those things are crimes or civil wrongs and the adult sued before the statute of limiations ran. Probably wont until the Big Box is over. He will gladly email it to you, as he says here: http://www.poohsthink.com/to-surf-or-to-blog/. Wilson, rather, studied H.L. A good defense lawyer could shred this poor woman on a witness stand in cross examinationa few of her claims could be seen as exaggerated. Somewhere, I cant remember where, I read a translation of woman as man-ess. , I think its sad that the state of American evangelicalism has so fallen that anyone would consider DW either a scholar or a wit. And his emphasis on classics gives a sophisticated sheen which is hugely attractive, esp within an evangelicalism that has long been anti-intellectual. Tracking my 50s/keeping in touch w/ my 50 something friends "I will boast gladly of my weakness that the power of Christ may rest upon me." 2Cor12:9. I look forward to your blogpost. According to The Christian Post, Vision Forum, Inc., Phillips' for-profit business, "appeared to have a liquidation sale" in December 2013. Doug Wilson is a misogynistic moron. Even the head covering passage say we have no such practise and decide for yourself. They are on the wrong side of this issue. That serial denial and rebuff of biblical rebuke doesnt seem to do a lot for a constructive testimony in the community. Maybe Deebs will want to run it as a guest post . That would be nice. Yes, that is my point. It makes me sad to see Sproul Sr. endorsing this. If I read this right, Guidepost will stay quiet when the SBC gets upset? But he was right in saying that it was complicated. Dont all victimizers have some kind of bait that they use to hook their victims? .. like the women responded in the South Park episode, how come all the men know about this, and Back Door Sluts 9? Mr. Wilson has been the bearer of bad news for lo these 40 years now. Twin border cities; Sault Ste Marie, Ontario, Canada and Sault Ste Marie, Michigan, U.S.A. They are the unjust cover-upper-ers. Mr. Phillips is not a private man keeping to himself, humbly deflecting the attention away from himself. Doug is the master of ecclesiastical tyranny. They should never have been put in a heck if you do and heck if you dont situation by perpetrators. @ Rosmary Huskey: The second observation has to do with the snark shown by those who see such things as an occasion for venting their spleen. I guess all those whippings and beatings were all affectionate too, huh? leadership has all sorts of formal tie$ to church leaders and clearly has a $take in $weeping everything under the rug. 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