While its true that our faith can prompt God to act, our lack of faith cannot prevent Him from acting if He wants to. God, in, I know that you can do all things; no purpose of yours can be thwarted. Modalism has been considered heretical by the entire Body of Christ for almost 2000 years, so its not as if its a new idea. He enables us to believe. Furtick clearly and indisputably taught that Jesus COULD NOT. While much of what Furtick teaches is true, too much of it is not and the things he gets wrong are big things: the character of God, His ability to do things, our ability to thwart Him, and so on. Instead he was internal He said its good that Im ghosting you. If our lack of faith prevented Him from acting, then nobody could be saved ever. Yet not as I will, but as you will. The implication, of course, is that regular Christians do not. Third: what is this scroll? His young staff puts "Pastor Steven" on a pedestal. Thank you for your encouraging words, Josh. Multnomah Books. The context doesnt suggest that God lost any ability due to Israels actions the context tells us that God responded as He said He would. As for this modalism, that claims the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are one person and not distinct persons, yet Scripture clearly teaches that Jesus is the mediator between God and man (1 Tim 2:5), so he exist separate from God the Father, being God the Son. Ive fixed it. I will try this and possibly get back with you when I get his response! He draws us to Himself, or we could not be saved. There are two primary ways that people interpret Scripture. God bless and give you discernment. It is all ONE God, not three different personalities, or persons. I dont NEED a cheering section, but your words are a big encouragement. I have no idea whether this was the first time or only the most recent time youve been irresponsible, and thats none of my business. Same thing. Though his grandfather was a Methodist minister, Furtick had no real interest in God until he turned 16. Both, in this case, misuse Scripture and claim that it says something that it does not say. I say these things as a brother, and I mean them as a brother. Healing comes not from the outside in, it comes from the inside out. Like you, I think we should be careful about making accusations. These where mass healings, revealing his power, but there were others who had to seek and ask. Unless we can become so unified that we actually indwell one another, I would suggest a less mystical reading of John 17. With more than 4,000 attendees at its seven services every Sunday, Furtick's church is also one of the youngest around, drawing new families as well as high schoolers and college-age kids. This man may be and seemingly is wrong on some doctrinal issues. Jesus obediently passed on to us the things that the Father told Him to say. Again, My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness. Ill be drinking coffee and pondering more of your thoughts. The difference isnt trivial. This idea that we are able to limit God is held by many, if not most, Word of Faith teachers. Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christs power may rest on me (2 Corinthians 12:9) No, its simple as hearing; In whom you also trusted, after that you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that you believed, you were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Ephesians 1:13.These scripture tell us God uses faith, as faith is action, or acting on after that you heard the word of truth. To say that God reveals Himself in three different modes, or offices, or roles, contradicts the plain words of Scripture, including clear statements from Jesus. God's Got Your Back Part 2. God is the supreme authority in all things, and subject to none. Im not providing examples here, but a warning to watch out for it. I hope to study and understand the Word of God more so I can confidently stand on and defend the faith. They are both real in the spiritual realm, (both already provided according to 1 Peter 2:24), yet only procured through faith, for by grace through faith are we saved (sozo). MANY are quietly doing exactly that: being used by God to grow His kingdom. Jesus, in, Is anything too hard for the Lord? Both of us having what I would describe as a crisis of faith. When we elevate (no pun intended) a teacher, preacher, leader, musician or band, were recommending them to people. Pastor Steven Furtick, lead Pastor of Elevation Church. Afterward, they reconvened at a 24-hour diner to talk about Christ. There are plenty of Scriptures to indicate that God may respond to us based on our actions, or our faith. Rather than revealing who weve been all along, following Jesus actually results in a change. Jakes: I began to realize that there are some things that could be said about the Father that could not be said about the Son, Jakes said. Im not making a mountain out of a molehill here, Thomas. The Bible is about God, and we learn about Him and about ourselves by reading it. Jesus decision to heal some and not others might be confusing to you, but its not illogical and its certainly not unbiblical and it certainly isnt addressed in 1 Corinthians 14. For the record, I dont believe its a good idea to cite any human being Sproul, Calvin, or anyone else as evidence of what Scripture says. ), 5. Nothing He could have done would have made them believe, for they had hardened their hearts against the revelation that they had enjoyed. Furtick, later on, joined Southern Baptist Theological Seminary in Louisville, Ky where he received a master of divinity degree. Bottom line, Jesus was not pleased, and was unable to do many miracles there because of their disbelief. Their disobedience did not PREVENT God from blessing them. Dont you see? Seems like a pretty big deal. I dont think so, and Ill bet that you dont really think so, either. Its a combination of narcissism and eisegesis. Mostly Im concerned for the next generation. Let me know what you think. May I share a harsh scripture that not only you, but all of us, may need to consider, Acts 5:38,39. The only relevant question is whether Steven Furtick responsibly teaches what Jesus taught. Perhaps it is a topic worthy of a post for you sometime, if youve not already posted about it. why would you call me irresponsible? Changing did not to could not says something that favors Furticks theology, but does not reflect what Gods Word actually says. The question is whether youre willing to reassess what you think about people like Furtick not in light of what I say, but in light of what God has said. When He tells us, we should pay attention. If he really is biblically trinitarian, he should know better than to explain anything about the trinity that could be misconstrued as Sabellianism. Steven Furtick is an interesting person, a gifted communicator, and probably a pretty nice guy. Manybtimes statements of faith by very otherwise orthodox groups miss this teaching. After all, someone might say: whos to say that God is NOT energy? Thank you for your gracious words and help. Yes, breaking the law was a big deal and He did not break the law for love, but rather fulfilled the law to show love, to us who have. Just yesterday I watched a clip of Jesse Duplantis, where he said (and I quote) You choose when you live, you choose when you die. v13 says Now the man who had been healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, as there was a crowd in the place. Jesus healed this invalid who had no faith, HE DIDNT EVEN KNOW HIM! Word of Faith teachers regularly demote God and promote man. Not trying to cause a gunfight, just asking. Minor? As founder and lead pastor, he has helped grow the multi-site Elevation Church into a global ministry through online streaming, television, and the music of Elevation Worship. In our natural state, we want nothing to do with God. I would also consider it blasphemy. Thus, when Mark says Jesus could do no mighty works in Nazareth, He does not mean that their unbelief sapped His power. Furtick puts the power in the hands of the unbelievers, rather than in Gods hands. In Furticks example, God does not know the future. If you dont receive it in your heart, you limit what God can do. Youre asking him to critique an unbiblical perspective. This is the vision of Elevation Church, led by Pastor Steven Furtick and based in Charlotte, NC with multiple locations throughout the US and Canada.Stay ConnectedElevation Church Website:http://ele.vc/9pHOrc Steven Furtick YouTube:http://ele.vc/tn2sxe Chapters:0:00 - Elevation Nights Tour 20230:48 - Do The New You2:49 - We Need New Habits5:24 - Growing To Become It8:23 - Do You Have A Hardened Heart?11:15 - Don't Give Yourself Over To Sin15:20 - That Used To Be Me, But Not Now19:10 - Faith Comes By Hearing; Freedom Comes By Habit23:11 - A \"License\" To Sin27:40 - Repeat After Me: I Don't Get To Quit31:55 - I Might? He publicly approves of false teachers like T.D. Those are your only options. God wanted Paul to be healed, but Paul had some hidden sin that prevented it. Godly people would never drink alcohol. Ive had to make these decisions on one of my other websites, Awesome Christian Music. First, what looks like a blessing may simply be something we like not something God has done to bless us. Sure, but they knew not God as intimate as we do, for they had the Holy Spirit about them, yet we have the Holy Spirit in us, Great difference! As soon as I started explaining why we should consider people like Steven Furtick to be false teachers, my traffic DOUBLED. Sure, we know that there is only one God. Moving on to his marital affairs, the evangelist is happily married to his beautiful wife, Holly Furtick. And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll. Its that we wield the same kind of power that God has. Its clear that God does some miracles on the basis of a persons faith, and that God does some miracles independent of anyones faith. And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lords glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit. As for did and could, do you really think that its okay to misquote clear passages of Scripture? Almost all of the books in the New Testament warn us about false teachers, and tell us what to do when we find them. Theres nothing in Scripture that tells us that we can prevent God from doing anything He wants to do. You gotta get healed in your heart, and then release it. I cant ignore them, either. That sounds good, but its the opposite of what we see in the Bible. It simply explains the nature of ritual purity. Wouldnt it be terrible if we spared each other the truth, and allowed our brother or sister to miss out on heaven? Who knows? What IS the question? Im curious as to who you are. The Son obeyed the Father (John 14:31). She didnt do anything wrong but there were consequences for the people she touched. >> It is false to teach that God is a multiple personality being. THAT is the purpose of this article: to help people understand that Steven Furtick is not a trustworthy teacher of Scripture. Is a biblical false teacher one that denies the deity of Christ, one that denies His redemptive plan of salvation. Jude 1:3-4. What youve written makes it sound like you think thats unnecessary. I also have no doubt I could be friends with Furtick, given the opportunity. I see that you dont write to condemn him, but to objectively note his errors. Furtick used the word could in Matthew 13:58, yet you said it was heresy, now here the same word could is also used. For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son gives life to whom he is pleased to give it. Started as a worship music team leader at Christ Covenant, a Baptist church in Shelby. I am not lifting up Furtick, rather just contending for the faith. I feel the same about Joyce Meyers. Charlotte woman was locked in room for 5 days before police shooting, report shows, Novant to take over two hospital systems near Charlotte in a $320 million deal. Again, Paul speaking of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believes; Romans 1:16. as it, whether could not or would not, is still (bottom line) for want of faith in us, just as the scripture says in Matthew 13:58 Generally, the rest disprove modalism. My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working. Steven and Holly are blessed with three children; two sons, Elijah and Graham, and a daughter, Abbey. Like blind Bartimaeus, who asked Jesus to have mercy on him Mark 10:46-52 and Jesus asked; What do you want Me to do for you? Of course it does its all over the gospels. You might want to write more, but you dont have to read through the 10,000 word screeds that people used to post here. Multnomah Books. Thanks, so I will just try to answer a couple of things. To paraphrase 1 Corinthians 2:14, spiritual things are Spiritually discerned. Doctrinally, its immensely problematic to suggest that Gods ability to do ANYTHING is limited by ANYONE or ANYTHING. If not, Elevation music is just music some great, some good, some average, some not so much. Furtick taught that there are things Jesus CANNOT DO. A very dangerous course: What Saddleback Church ouster means for Southern Baptists. Its at the very beginning of the video. I am struck by how several people irresponsibly and incorrectly used various verses or created their own paraphrases around the concept of judging, knocking you for judging. And, each person that commented with something to that effect seemed emotional, whereas other comments of disagreement seemed more calm rational theological discussions. That God might use Furtick is easy to understand. Modalists claim that there is only one PERSON that is God, but the Bible describes three different persons as the ONE God. Please and I sincerely mean this please, dont run away. I know analogies are flawed and the Trinity is difficult to encapsulate but, for me, its always been easy to understand at the simplest level. Jesus was. God Himself saves us because we have met His terms of agreement. (Furticks parents named him Larry Stevens Furtick Jr.), 2. Its important to make sure we keep the question in mind. But that you may know that the Son of man has power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up your bed, and go unto your house. Matthew 9:5,6. This unbiblical idea is that humans are not only somewhat like God, but that we are duplicates or copies of Him. Does being wrong confidently wrong mean hes not saved? I dont say that to say that Im right, but to point to the objective fact that what Furtick teaches, and what youve repeated, simply contradicts Scripture. Because Matthew Henry said similar interpretation as Furtick, Will you bring Matthew Henry into this category of false teacher too? Steven attended and graduated from Berkeley High School in his hometown of Moncks Corner, S.C. Consequently, Jesus could give no further confirmation of His identity that they would accept. First, it contradicts Scripture. Will God honor His word regardless of who presents it ? If their name is a link, theres already an article. Think Furtick problem maybe just being ignorant of the word, proud. He did not make us multiple personality beings, but made us in HIS image. Ther very first time I saw Steven, he reminded me of someone very long ago named Reverend Carl H. Stevens of The Bible Speaks Ministry back in the 70s and 80s. Eternal security, tongues, Can we still fellowship without compromising our beliefs. does not equate to Gods blessing. Im sure you are as well. Thanks for a good conversation so far. Elevation Church pastor Steven Furtick Pastor Steven to his ever-growing flock launched his Charlotte church in 2006. This is an incredibly common practice, and it should not be. No, Thomas I dont want to have the final say. First off it also said in the Bible that no one has the right to judge anyone but God this is the problem with the world today no compassion at all Steven furtick is a great preacher and has lead a lot of people to the lord another thing that the Bible said is jealousy is a sin and a lot of people get jealous and start speaking bad things about other people you know Im so sick of this if you are truly a man or women of God and a true Christian then we dont speak bad on others Jesus died on the cross for us so we can be saved this is not how Jesus is nor will he ever be!!!!!! Ps. The false teaching is the one that contradicts Gods own words when HE said that He is the only God, and when as the Son, He said that He (the Son/Word) and the Father are ONE (heis : one in ESSENCE) I dont know enough about Furtick to know whether he is preaching/teaching the heresy re what you speak creates your reality (a synergistic new age teaching brought into the church by quite a few false teachers of the NAR crowd who are spreading that teaching and building churches all over the US and probably around the world the Declaration statement may indicate this is in his mind if not his teaching but we can only know what he speaks out of his mouth directly) but Modalism is not false. God existed, then created humans, then became the Son to carry out different functions. Okay, I have taken enough of your time. If you knew that he was teaching falsely, I dont believe you would repeat his errors, because you know that what we believe about God really matters. Let me know if youre in. First: what does this passage actually SAY? Its not unreasonable. This is something more. I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. Tony, I appreciate the thoroughness of your response. The 28-year-old lead pastor at Elevation Church in Charlotte anointed his lips and head with oil, knelt to pray with his entourage, and sang and danced to "What an Awesome God You Are," a gospel-rock song that was a new favorite on his iPod. Sorry, there are no recent results for popular videos. He causes the sun to shine and the rain to fall on the righteous and unrighteous alike. You are right. All of the New Testament? Weve gone back and forth a number of times, and Im not entirely clear on where you stand. Does he teach the importance of obedience, Does he teach how important it is to get sin out of your life, Does he teach you how to build a close personal relationship with Jesus Christ. He is the sustainer of the universe. The coffee bar, the band with the weird hair and weird clothes, the power point presentations to accompany the message. Found this quote in an article supposedly from T.D. Even those who receive the gospel with joy may fall away. Im curious. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all he does. I teach this very plainly: bad things are always bad, and never good. Do you see how this patient and gentle approach might be more effective than a confrontational approach? ElevationChurch.Online is the online experience for Elevation Church, led by Pastor Steven Furtick and broadcasting from Charlotte, NC. A new grant aims to preserve it. I just came to this discussion after hearing an amazing worship song on You Tube from Elevation Worship. Gods power is not blocked by anything. Furtick had never known another young man whose love for Jesus seemed so genuine. Certainly Gods actions are, at times, conditional. He was prepared to. But their messages are as by-the-Book and Jesus-centered as a Billy Graham altar call. I know that his command leads to eternal life. He says a lot of things that are true, of course but he also promotes unbiblical falsehoods. First, I didnt call you irresponsible. He hooked up with a Baptist church, where the pastor named him youth minister. Can Revelation 22:18-19 apply to the whole Bible. Im trying to understand what modalism is and why as Christians it is the wrong belief system. We should appreciate anyone who teaches us the truth, but that doesnt mean we should uncritically follow them when we see significant problems in their lives, in their ministries, and in their teaching. Have a great day! He did not pursue what was gain to him and he left the benefits of his heritage and education behind in order to know the Lord and the power of His resurrection, to be made conformable to His death. Theres no way around this, Kathleen. The order is wrong. The Father wasnt speaking. Paul gave us the way to avoid error in Philippians 3. Any person who went through good theological college would have known about sound theology of three persons in one God mystery. We dont really have a way to accurately compare it to anything, and comparing is one of the key ways we understand anything. I hear you, about it being tough to move on from what weve been taught especially from a young age. Second, we know that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. Hes clearly a gifted communicator, and based on the growth of his congregations likely a gifted leader as well. In this specific conversation, the question is whether Jesus COULD HAVE performed more miracles in Nazareth, or COULD NOT HAVE. Built on a burial ground, Norfolks Basilica of St. Mary houses over 100 years of Black history. Steven Furtick is an excellent communicator. Tragically, she passed away seven days later. This is unbiblical nonsense that doesnt match the Greek text. In this way, God only APPEARS AS the Son and the Spirit. When He doesnt, we shouldnt present our thoughts as if theyre His thoughts. They elevate men and demote God, and this really is a good example of it. No, I do not see it, as Furtick said of Jesus; He wanted to. Thank you for sharing this. I tried to reply on our original discussion, but did not allow it. By most people's standards, Furtick is a major success. Is Steven Furtick TRYING to pervert the gospel, or has he simply not yet been led into all truth? Steven Furtick Ministries is a ministry of Elevation Church, a non-profit 501(c)(3) corporation, and all gifts are tax-deductible as allowed by law. Peter called Pauls writings Scripture and Paul called out others in exactly this fashion. Please, let me encourage you: there may be bad things happening in many churches, but there are also good things happening as well. Also who died and left you in charge of judging anyone? Second, its the kind of claim that cant be tested, so its safe from those who would question it. Do you believe that God is a molecular structure? Heres the point: the text does not say that Jesus ability to work miracles was in connection with, or in proportion to, or directly dependent on their state of mind. On that recent Sunday morning at Providence High, Furtick got applause when he said Elevation had baptized 629 the weekend before. I heard a bible teacher say once, that we should let the scripture interpret scripture, as it does a better job. "I got married after my freshman year of college, and gave birth to my first daughter shortly after. According to Furtick, Jesus had the ability and the desire to do more, but the power of God was trapped in their perspective.. So did Furtick pal Chunks Corbett, a physical therapist who's now Elevation's executive pastor. Judge not yet you be judged. Im grateful that youve pointed to a few things Furtick teaches that are unbiblical. I am glad you dont have that aversion , as Hebrews 11, the Faith Hall of Fame is full of great deeds of faith, speaking of those who moved God with faith. Rather than being God, Jesus to them is a created being. He wasnt referring to the gospel of John, or the epistles of John, either. As for not judging, you might take the time to look up the passage in question. Many years later, the Son became a human. The post has since been deleted from Furtick's social media channels. And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. He wished he had known about that before but, because his denomination only uses the KJV, he had no idea. Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. Its an observation. God does respond to our faith. If you've been feeling worn down or tired, this one's for you.In "Winded," Pastor Steven Furtick shows us that when the wind is against us and our energy is . What God did when he sent his son [he] broke the Law for love. The idea is that love is greater than the Law. What do you think? If you will, please answer VERY briefly these are the only options I can think of, so pick one: Please just pick one, or propose your own as briefly as you can. He saves us. The problem is that he persists in teaching them despite being told that its false. Is it because Steven Furtick tickles YOUR itching ears? I end, if I did not reach my max, with Thessalonians 4: 6-9. Thank you for all your help! This ministry doesnt need a building to do Gods work, San Diego Catholic diocese ponders bankruptcy with sex-abuse lawsuits pending, Church of England considers whether to stop referring to God as he, Pope puts pressure on politicians, urges peace on 6-day Africa trip. I agree with you on Steven Furtick and have warned several friends about him. Im not sure I can be more definitive than that, without pretending that I know things I couldnt possibly know. Photo courtesy: Jackoo012345/Creative Commons, cropped and resized to 1200x627 Video courtesy: Elevation Church Instead, its modalism: the unbiblical idea that God is ONE person that appears to us in different modes, or manifestations. I have friends who were conceived because their mothers were raped. May it never be! See for yourself what the Bible says. Theres nothing wrong with that. 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